Leaders Test Ideas, Followers Seek Clarity On Them

Dr. Alex emphasizes prioritizing clarity in leadership, using action to cultivate understanding. She also shares insights on the value of exploring the emotional body before reaching the spiritual body, and the role of feedback in this process.

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Welcome to the podcast, Dr. Alex here with you. Welcome to the Becoming Zesty Podcast, we are so happy that you’re here. Alright, so recently, I put out a little challenge on social media. And I had people make some attempts to guess the difference that accounts for the concept of leaders test out ideas, followers, seek clarity on them. And it was really interesting to see their responses. But what I wanted to do today was come here on the podcast and really explain what I see as the difference between those like what accounts for the type of thinking that leads leaders to test out ideas, and for followers to seek clarity on them. Right? And so what do we really even mean by that? Is that, okay, so when it comes to leadership, a lot of times, leaders can look a little unorganized. They can look like they are just doing stuff, let I’m gonna put that in quotes here. But yeah, essentially, a lot of times people misunderstand leadership. And sometimes that’s where, you know, organize perfect. Sequence leadership is often leadership that has been passed down through many generations of leaders, not generations of humans, but generations of leaders as an if someone at the top of the chain of a company has finalized systems, and then they pass it down through liters, three liters, three liters, and now that system is refined, well then, yes, then those leaders can come across looking like they’re organized and all that stuff. Now, here’s the thing, though, leaders on the fly, like the true the leading edge of the movements, or the way that I the visual that I actually like myself is that true leaders are the tip of the sword. Right and so as they are the first to go through everything, there’s more resistance, there’s more chaos, there’s more unknown. And you know, for for leaders, that’s all right, but that that’s the thing is that the people on the leading edge are often the ones firing up different ideas brainstorming thing has out of the bounds coming up with what sounds insane hasn’t even happened yet. It hasn’t been built doesn’t exist can’t happen, you know, whatever, or at least what people say. And so often times there’s this like misunderstanding of leadership. And of course, there’s a lot of judgment that can come from that when people are true leaders. They often find it but why can’t I do this? Why don’t I already know the answer to those Why do I not? You know, why is it not organized? Why is it not clear? Why is it always changing? is changing because you’re literally the forefront of figuring it out right now. Right? And so the it’s hard to know when the day come you’re figuring it out, figuring it out, figuring it out, figuring out you might have woken up today, still on the figuring it out stage, but you don’t know what day is gonna flip you over to I got it. Right. And so that ads were for leadership and the actions of leaders don’t always make sense on the outside is that often that leaders test out ideas. And so they just are firing things off. Now, a lot of times the followers in that misunderstanding of leadership, they’re looking for that clarity themselves, and passing it down from themselves to themselves enough times where there is now a set thing and you know what to do, and there’s stuff going on. So what is the difference there? And really, it’s actually already in the diet, clarity is the difference. But if clarity is present, and sought after in both people, then what is the deal with clarity, right? And actually, it’s the order, it’s the timing. It’s the the role that clarity is going to play in the experience. That is what’s different, right? Everybody, on some level seeks clarity, that makes sense. Everyone wants to know what they’re doing. Makes sense of what they decided how it fits, how was going to work, all that stuff is awesome. I like that too. And I don’t think that the human brain is designed to tolerate confusion as a norm. At the same time, here’s the whole rub, right? It’s the order in which clarity is prioritized. If we’re all seeking clarity, then the difference is what comes first. And so here’s the thing, a lot of times followers in that misunderstanding of leadership, are seeking clarity first. And then we’ll take actions on the ideas. And then they expect some sort of result, right? I’ll get this stuff, right. And then I’ll do this stuff. And you know, people will follow me if you want to give me money, whatever, like the stuff that follows after. But again, a lot of times, why are the followers stuck, and people are say stuff, like I’m spinning my wheels, I’ve been here a long time, I don’t know what to do, I keep doing stuff and nothing changes. Nothing ever works. For me, the way someone describes it is very, very, but the the message is the same. I can’t get enough clarity and clarity on it. And I’m frustrated. So when it comes to leadership, that clarity is simply prioritized down the line. So when I say that, what does it look like? So leaders understand that in the confusion of ideas, action will provide the clarity of thought, right? That is to say that so often, leaders look a little more chaotic, and a little less organized at times, because they’re not prioritizing clarity. They’re prioritizing, getting info that cultivates clarity, right? And, and so often it is of crucial importance to do something and then see how the world responds. Right? It’s the feedback process of if this is a concept, and I deliver it, how does it hit? How does it land for you? And if I’m a thought leader, that is my main goal to move people to action? Did it move them to action? Because if not, then then I need to, I need to dig deeper, I need to look at other stuff, I need to find more resources, you know, you have it, but the whole idea is that they do not prioritize clarity. In order to determine action, they use action to cultivate and determine the clarity of the situation. Right. And really, at the heart of it, people are like okay, all right, I you know, do stuff and then figure it out. Well, that’s a whole rub is that if you’re not sold on this, that’s gonna look really really scary. That’s gonna sound like a terrible idea. You’re like, just try things and then see how it goes and then be clear. And that’s the whole Yeah, that’s why it’s hard. But we have to be sold on the fact that clarity is going to come from the actions because the actions determine the buy in of the other collaborators. That means when the other people who are going to create what Ever we’re working on in the world are involved? What is it like for them? What is their response? What do they need? What are they telling me they want?

And so for that, that, in my opinion, and now this is just my worldview, and it doesn’t have to be yours. But you know, what will you think is my question for you is, is the fact that it’s really more just the accounting for the fact that when I take action, and I am unsure of what is gonna go into it, I’m really just saying, I need to be willing to hear what the CO creators of this situation, have to say about it. Right. And that’s what I think when we are testing out ideas, that’s the reason that we gained so much clarity, if it was always just something that only we had to decide. And only we had to do, and only we had to think and only we had to transmit. I don’t think that the setup would always work like this, right? You could actually elicit clarity for yourself just sitting there because somehow you got the answer. But if your purpose here, if your task here involves anybody else, then I challenge you to consider how does one seek clarity without the collaboration and the feedback of other players or even proxies of other players, right, they might not be the direct people you work with. But they could be like the people that you want to work with, like friends and family that are like your target market, the people, you do want to help all of that stuff. So I put to you this that it is not too different of what makes that of what creates leaders versus followers is more just the understanding of this concept. And the acceptance of that. I think people can do things messy. It’s just that they don’t want to write. And people can do things and organize their thoughts later. But it’s just that they don’t like it as much. And so this is where we have to say out of the things that we don’t like about other things, we feel resistance about which one’s worse, this kind of stuff or not getting to your dreams, not helping the world not getting the results you want. For most of us, when it’s the comparison between those two things will say now, it actually impacts me much more to not have what I want and to not feel like the world is the way that I want to impact it with. And so on that front, we can really say, this is a choice I get to make with this understanding. I can create plans that account for testing out ideas if I ever but me personally, and you could consider this too. If I’m ever went Gosh, I’ve been thinking about this for a while I keep not getting clarity on it. That’s a lightbulb moment for me, I go ding, okay, what action can I take? What can I do? Where the other collaborators of this whole life thing can can give me some info? And sometimes I will say I don’t always like the answer. Sometimes it’s things like it’s not time right now. And sometimes we need to do this instead until we get to there. Sometimes it’s kind of like that. But that’s the whole thing is that I played the game of just putting stuff out there when I thought it was time. And over over the over the years that followed. What happened is that I began to see the value of not just feedback for me to gain clarity. But so often there was so much more attached to that feedback. It wasn’t just Will people buy this program. Will people read this book will be will listen to this topic on a podcast. It was Oh right. This is a conversation society’s been having for a while for a while and now it is shifting and it’s evolving. Now what are we talking about? Right. I had no idea and I knew that I was going to talk about the spiritual body at some point and as a society that we would get to a more prominent kind of conventional understanding of energy and the energy body. I had no idea it would move through the emotional body first and that I was going to find resources there before I got to the spiritual body. But I didn’t find that in a vacuum. If I didn’t have to sit there and sit in confusion. Now I did for a while it was self inflicted. And that’s all right. No shame in that. But what ended up being shown to me is that concept, right? But I test that out that idea, could I do it on my own? And the answer was, you might even be able to, but it won’t be as fulfilling, it won’t be as impactful. And it won’t help create that ripple effect that you’re looking for as much as you are. And so for me, it really solidified whenever I feel lost. And unlike gosh, I feel like I’m just firing things off at the wall, I’m testing things, sometimes it’s not working, I’m getting frustrated. All that stuff, I really begin to remind myself and I standardized these conversations in my head, I even write them out for myself, or put them on sticky notes, where I’m like, this is actually what it looks like, you know, if someone had given me a manual, I’m not the first leader, someone handed me that manual. Right. And so as I remind myself that it becomes easier to just put one foot in front of the other and say, the other people may judge me for what this looks like. But I know what this looks like, and I know what I’m working on on the inside, you may not be able to tell from the outside yet. And that’s where leaders have to cultivate their own inner resiliency and some of these concepts that we talked about this why we need Lee other leaders so much, you know, to tussle these ideas to be like, Could we just think about this in this way? Is that a possibility? What happens if we do this, you know, and together, I think we can come up with ideas and concepts and ways of cultivating that resilience. See, until we get to the point to say, you know, I’ve experienced those collaboration firsthand. I’ve experienced what it’s like being at the tip of the sword. And I accept now my role in that I’m okay, being that first leading edge through whatever is going on. And when I experience the testing out of ideas, what I’m doing is role modeling. Right? And because other people might think it’s messy, other people might judge, but there’s a leader out there watching, they might be in my house growing up, right. And so as I accept that idea, it really becomes a safer space for me internally, to put one foot in front of the other and to let that experience be what it is knowing that my intentions are good. And my intentions are to help the world my intention is to bring this so if it shakes out lol Messi, hey, maybe that’s what people need, right? Maybe that’s what we need to accept. Maybe there’s just the conversation we need to have like that’s trending. Now to be like, This is not something I normally share on social media. But this is something I’ve been struggling with. The reason we all love that so very much is because it’s this. You’re right. It’s someone saying I accept myself enough to share with you. And then that makes you feel like Oh, I do that too. I must be okay. It’s normalized, right? So this is a truly truly, truly kind of a healing conversation, a way of working with ourselves with compassion with gentleness. And still keeping on the path, right, we have to fight for ways to stay on the path as leaders, no matter if the going gets tough or not, whether the collaboration is going well or not, whether the feedback comes when we want or not. But this kind of stuff can help we can rest easy and these kinds of concepts. So lots of love to you. We’ll catch you on the next podcast episode and love you so much.