Embracing Authenticity in the Face of Criticism with Liz Wolfe- Part 2

Dr. Alex and Liz shares insights on transformation, urging to conquer fear, embrace vulnerability, and integrate mindset with well-being. They stress supporting leaders with necessary resources and fostering growth through personal stories. Addressing online discourse, they noted confusion between safety and avoiding new paths, advocating for agency, nuance, and exposure therapy to foster growth.

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Transcript:

Liz Wolfe  

Well, that goes back to another lesson, I feel like I’ve learned which is these things are so individual like we go create, make whatever you want. Do it however you want to do it, there is room for everybody. We are all questioning ourselves way too much. If what motivates you is not what motivates somebody else. That’s fine, if that’s your way. And I think I did that for too long to that I felt like a business had to look like something, or my motivation or my marketing or whatever had to look like something. No, just go, you’re gonna learn all these things by doing. I’ve never learned anything more powerful than what I’ve learned by doing. So do go do things. Yeah. So

Dr. Alex Golden  

true that feedback, that feedback helps so much because it’s like sitting there. I’ve gotten into this non infrequently in life where I’m like, let me decide, and then I’ll go do it. And then I keep sitting there trying to decide is I’m going crazy. And then, you know, really only as I reached real, like a being an adult where I said, Oh my gosh, I keep just sitting there though, like, I’ve spent like three months on this. And the the decision is no more clarified. Yep. Right. And that’s where I was like, Oh, this whole thing. It’s like, I feel like we get taught in grade school, like consider your actions. And then we really take that to heart in such an extreme way as an adult that is like, let me keep sending here. And I will know and then I will feel good about it. And then I’ll move. Yeah, but honestly then with no other information getting created from the lack of movement, there’s just nothing new to go by. You’re like, I still didn’t have enough info and today I don’t have any more info. So I’m still not going to get to do anything. And so it really did help. So how did that evolve? Like now you know, you move past your 15 minutes of you know, integration. And then now I like how do you feel in your body first of all, but then also how do you feel about your business move it you know, you had mentioned that the things that you’re working on a timeout now or the next kind of layer for you. That’s where the conversations going. So obviously, kind of reading the room on your landing the ship you know, there so had had that goal, but How’s it feeling now?

Liz Wolfe  

Oh, man, I’m so tired. But I’m still so excited, which is interesting. We when this supplement launched last week, I got one hour of sleep because I really was where I pulled an all nighter basically, which is something I would never tell anybody to do. But this is what the situation demanded. And I did it and weirdly, I’m not I’m tired, but I’m not. Hopefully I’m finding words. I think I’m doing an okay job. You’re doing great. I love Okay, thank you good. Yeah, yeah, feeling good. And I feel like I should loop it back around to what I’m doing now, which is heavily went on the wellness stuff, heavily focused on metabolism because this is an interest of mine. And I think I would be remiss not to point out the what feels discordant I think to people and this moment of my evolution when I was like you know why? It Moving on, you know, we’re still we’re still on the same track, thank you for your feedback we’re struggling, is to have somebody talking about metabolism who had also utilized peptide therapy for weight loss. And where, and I recognized how discordant that probably felt for people. And I could respect that. But I also knew that my explanation for that was valid and made sense. And those two those who gave me the opportunity to explain that and to kind of help bring them into alignment with what my mission is like, those are, those are my people, those are the people I’m talking to. And what I said to them was, my favorite expression is garbage in, garbage out, I don’t even know where that came from. But it’s so down and dirty and straightforward that I love it. But the work that I did before choosing to lose weight that way, was the work on my metabolism, my metabolic health, my whole body systems function. If you go into an experience of any kind of intentional weight loss, you want to come in with a healthy metabolic system, because then you will have a much better chance of coming out with a healthy metabolic system. So my entire thing there was I have been graciously prepared over the last five to 10 years to go into an intentional weight loss situation, not only mentally prepared, but also physically prepared. And then coming out of that, and I did some really interesting tracking, I did metabolic rate tracking and all of that stuff before and after, because that, to me is more important than the actual number on the scale. I really wanted to know what my metabolic health markers were before and what they were after. And it was fascinating to all that tracking. But I think it’s important because I know I’m not the only person at 40, who is thinking I’m not really feeling at home in my body. But I also would never tell somebody, alright, then go do these peptides now go do this intentional weight loss without saying how do we look from a systems perspective, and holistically to Are you mentally in a space emotionally, spiritually in a place where you can walk your body through that experience and come out as healthy as you went in. So that’s kind of where I’m at now, with all what I’m producing professionally. And this is, by the way, I would be happy doing this podcast and never talking about anything that I’m doing professionally, like the actual brass tacks of it, because everything that we’ve talked about is so so important. But I’m trying to get better at not leaving people wondering like, why didn’t they address that? You know,

Dr. Alex Golden  

yeah, it’s true. Well, and but there’s probably people who want to learn more, I mean, what you’re talking about, we’ve hit on such a diversity of topics that are near and dear to people’s hearts, because I know that we tend to be because we also do mindset and emotional processing, as well as the physical body. We have a lot of different viewpoints on especially something like weight loss, because there are the people that are like, what are my beliefs around it? Why do I want to do it? And then there’s also the people are like, I’ve already decided that I want to lose weight. But now I don’t like the optics of how do I explain to my kids that I want to wait for if I become a weight loss coach, what do my kids see? As Alright, so that there are and I think that as hard as those questions are there, and maybe they’re just hard to tussle with and so people feel and I agree, it feels uncomfortable. But it also has the benefit of I think as we talk about it, that’s where people can clear up a you get to take action on it when you know what you’re thinking. But to what you also get to be more intentional on once I decide the marketing the copy the the structure of how I share this information is then much more up for creativity. I can I can mix and match however it is that I want. And the same is true then on any any other topic, not just weight loss. And there was one other thing I wanted to hit on one thing that you said was use the word entitlement when it came to conversations online. And it kind of had me thinking, as we were talking about this, just at the end here, how there seems to be a bit of a split and people seeking. There’s a certain group of people who are seeking nuances. They’re seeking customization. They’re seeking granularity. They’re seeking details that are modifiers. Right, that they’re like there’s nuances in In these ideas, and then there are there’s the other side of the equation, which is distilling down to sound bite like simplicity. Right? Yeah. And I didn’t I don’t feel like that used to be a thing that business owners had to choose between, you would have an audience that had more of a mix and now it almost the the very clear stances on stuff are are very attractive to people that want to just, it’s like, I don’t want any discordant ideas outside of this. I want to hear it, how ever a highlight conceptualize it and that simplicity, I already distill it down for myself. So that’s what I want to hear. Yep. And I don’t mean simplicity as in. I don’t mean that in a way of like, judgment wise, I mean, as in, is it clear or not? Right? Black and white? Yeah. And, and they’re not the same, and they don’t want to interact even in like, Instagram the same way, as someone who wants to have a conversation, you know, there’s so much more likely to comment or be in the DMS have in common, they might not even like the post, but they’re in the DMS having a conversation about it. Right. Yeah, that completely different way. And, and so I’ve been considering it, especially as we coach of, what do we do with all the, you know, like, where, what is the thinking online? And then what do we as leaders? What are the choices, we get to choose between, like, and then you know, what call do we want to make? So could you talk a little bit about how do you see that from the entitlement standpoint? And is that like, the different needs of people online now?

Liz Wolfe  

Oh, man, there’s just so many, maybe I’ll just make a bunch of random comments, and we can tie them together somehow. Words? Um, yes, let’s we’ll just do like a word suit with the alphabet soup. And into comments on some of this will feel, I don’t want to say political, it will, it will echo some of the more extreme narratives that are out there right now. But I don’t mean for it to do that. It’s just kind of the occupational hazard of it. So I think we have had, first of all, a very intense, last five years, where people were searching for certainty. And also within that, which is a very human very primal thing. We want to know what’s next what we want to know what’s around the bend. And we we became so oppositional, it was what are you anti? What are you pro? What are you What, what are you what camp are you in, and that has bled into so many other things. And then there’s also something that I think I have compassion for, or maybe I just don’t, maybe I’m not feeling any one way or the other about it, other than just acknowledging it as truth is that we want to feel safe. And that also is very primal, but it has become this thing where I don’t, I don’t feel safe. And we’ve we’ve confused, maybe needed seeking safety with an unwillingness to be challenged, or an unwillingness to navigate new pathways, things like that. It doesn’t hurt anybody to consider an idea. You know, it’s not going to make you in the other camp to truly walk a mile in somebody else’s shoes or even try the shoes on. But what most of us do is like, No, I know what those shoes. I know what they fit, like, I’m not interested. But have we really put them on a walk? Dhinam? Probably not. So there’s all of those things, all of you know, our sense of safety, our sense of certainty, all of that. And then feeling like the people we thought we knew need to stay the way we thought we knew them. Yeah, and, and there’s all of that it. And you know, I thought thinking about this today, this is another detour. But as far as those, the I can’t help it is the context and the nuance. That’s, that’s the camp I’m in I’m pro nuance. And I was thinking today. I wonder what people thought about hair dye when it first came out? Because it was that cheating. You know, everybody, a lot of people dye their hair now I dye my hair I want to I prefer that. So many people do it. But when that first came out where people like her whole life is a lie. Her hair is not that color, and it could not ever be that color. And how dare and then there was the it’s a little it’s probably different. I haven’t really thought this through but then I was thinking about what Other things Botox. People used to be like, just Nicole Kidman do Botox. Oh my god, like, and

Dr. Alex Golden  

now, of course they do worse.

Liz Wolfe  

It’s weird when you’re done. It’s not weird when you don’t but you know, people expect that. So I think I

Dr. Alex Golden  

always find that out. I mean, as a visitor for my profession, I always point out like, hey, look, that actor doesn’t have Botox. Look at all the Yes. He’s acting and and yeah, it’s like, okay, you know, is that too much but important, you know, for my grandson thing, but yeah, I totally notice it. Yes, it is an interesting, absolutely. And even now, in certain circles still considered like, oh, my gosh, that’s gonna be the interview. But yeah, then we all just kind of accepted and moved on, and move on. And there’s,

Liz Wolfe  

and that’s, that brings up, I was going somewhere with that, I promise. But that also brings up, we know this, the nature of online media, is clicks. So if we’re reading a news article about something, it is highly likely that that was chosen to be written about because it would get people to click on it. So the narrative around, for example, weight loss peptides, is very much driven by clicks. We don’t have COVID anymore. You know, we don’t There are a lot of graphs that are not being talked about enough, you know, and that’s a whole nother thing. There are many things that we should be talking about that we’re not, but people will still tap on that people will tap on that story about, oh, God, the terrible side effects of this, that and the other. So our viewpoint about things is very much informed by who’s deciding what’s getting clicks. And I think we forget that too. So all of those little pieces together, kind of paint the picture the answer to your original question, which I forgot what it was,

Dr. Alex Golden  

well, it was all about the entitlement and kind of getting into the different camps of like, it is kind of what you’re saying that the entitlement comes from, I need you to create that safe space for me that lacks any challenge and lacks any sort of discord that I then have to reconcile for myself. Yeah. Yeah. And I think I think that is, I think I’d agree because I think the entitled and you kind of even when you said it, you’re like, uh, and then and then you said it anyways. And I wanted to circle back around to it. Because it is an interesting thing. I mean, I think that there’s lots of people being like, I we get to validly ask questions, online of influencers, and of people that are putting stuff up the same way. We always have had people have always done research studies, and then other institutions recreated those studies to try to debunk them and see if they could recreate it or not, right. So the fact that humans engaged in those activities is not at all surprising. And there’s nothing that has gone wrong in that equation, right? Yeah. But where it is different than instead of the curiosity of exploration of being like, I’m really my job is to run around and make sure all the other doors are shut, like this room’s gonna stay exactly the way it’s been. And if you open that door, which you know, it’s my insight, you might own that door. But you opening that door is a problem now, yeah. evidenced by the fact that people will comment, and which increases the likelihood that it will show up on their algorithm and they say that they hate it. Yeah, it’s hilarious, because I’m like, why are you commenting then? Yeah, yeah. Never click on anything.

Liz Wolfe  

But that’s too many taps. unfollowing takes too many taps.

Dr. Alex Golden  

But, but typing a paragraph is I love how I love how you’re thinking about it, too. Because you’re like, I’m trying to get there.

Liz Wolfe  

Like, it’s, I mean, it’s right there for you. Right? They give you they give you that it’s like a cascade right there. Like there’s the comment box, tap, tap, tap, tap. Whereas if you wanted to unfollow you have to tap on the user, you’d have to get out of your, you know, your waterfall, your cascade, you’re gonna have to go a whole nother tributary or whatever. And that might be the opposite. But you have to go find your name. And then you have to tap on it. And then where do you tap and then you unfollow it, and it’s a whole thing. And people, I think people are mostly just mad because that’s the now they’re going to have to figure out how to unfollow and they don’t want to. It’s just

Dr. Alex Golden  

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Liz Wolfe  

stories and I can tell you exactly how to move on from this thing that’s stressing you out.

Dr. Alex Golden  

Right? Because I mean, at the end of the day, like for somebody like you and it applies to me just as much it’s like weird committed to it. So that door is gonna get open one way or another. It’s sort of like I really on in some ways, it sounds funny to say, but I’m like, I’m not actually being quite as facetious about that as it sounds, because I’m like, if this is not welcome in your mental space, I very much would like you to get it out of it. Like, do you don’t have to say yes to this, you are absolutely in your authority to never be bugged by me again. Yeah, I really see me. And I and I like, well, and what’s funny about that phrase is that well, I also use it really, at the end of the day, I don’t even have any control over that, they probably don’t want to follow us anyways. So it’s an interesting thing for me to choose Joe emotionally get lubed up and it and know that I can’t change any of it. And I’m like, but it’s also not good for you as essentially sets up a lose, lose, lose, and part of the zesty philosophy is the win win win. So really, I you know, the way that I deal with some of the comments is to remind people that they absolutely have agency over what they are seeing, and just reminding them that you don’t have to include this in your world if you don’t want it, right. Yeah. And and I don’t know, I guess it could probably be misunderstood as like, have you don’t like this? You don’t have to be here. And I’m sure some people say it like that. But I think for me, it has never been that I’m like the internet’s a big place. If you’re this upset. I’m just not sure that that’s great. For you. Yeah, or Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And

Liz Wolfe  

yeah, it’s not like we have to release them. It is that you have the ability. Nobody is holding you. hostage. You are welcome here or you’re welcome to go someplace where maybe that feels a little bit better for you. And oh, my gosh, that reminds me to do you ever sneak a peek at somebody else’s like explorer page on Instagram. Like my husband opens up Instagram. I’m like, Wow, your reality looks very different from mine. What’s In My Explorer for different internet? A complete it’s a completely different internet. And we we only see our internet and we’re like, this is what everybody’s talking about. But also realizing that this is not what everybody’s talking about. This is what Yeah, a couple people are talking about.

Dr. Alex Golden  

Right. I didn’t even like I heard the that OJ pass. Yes. Yeah. Okay. Did not that and yeah, my mind was like, everyone was talking about it. And I was like, I’m so sorry. I’m late to the party. Yeah, like, Oh, okay. I didn’t even hear about that. And yeah, it’s, it’s very true. And I’m not unlike actual reality. Right? Yeah. I’m like, but this is all in my world. Now. Other people are like, I didn’t even know that was going on. Yeah. But that I recently in, you know, in life, it seems like, so often I keep getting reminded about, like, what is accurate, about a situation that like, you know, we don’t necessarily know how to define reality, or like my reality versus your reality, but there’s like, some, we can be accurate, about some things that happen. Right. And I think that social, the social media discussion that we’ve come to, is kind of that right? Like, it’s like you’re sitting there as the person leaving the comment thinking one thing, and it looks very much like that to you. And then the receiving that comment as a business owner is a completely other thing. And if we don’t talk about it, like we are, right, we’re finding these like, they’re kind of like goofs or fallacies that, like, What a funny thing to engage in, when that gets you more of what you’ve had on your eye, right? Or even just for me to be like, I need a comment back so that it looks like I you know, release them with kindness. So people don’t think I’m a jerk on top of misunderstanding me. And it’s like, well, you don’t you’re not even keeping them there. Period. Right. So both of us are engaging in these fallacies of thought. Yeah. And it to me, it seems like that’s where, that’s my personalization of authenticity, I think because it’s so misused, that it’s almost like even though we can make it standardized, what does accuracy look like for you? Right? And weight loss? people be like, nothing’s working, but they’ve lost five pounds. Like that’s not accurate. It’s not working as fast as I want, or it’s not working as far as I want or it’s not some component of it. It’s not that it’s not happening, right? Yeah.

Liz Wolfe  

What does work means to you? It’s not working well, what do you mean by works? is working?

Dr. Alex Golden  

Yeah. Right. And I like that we have a lot of opportunity to seek out this, these types of nuances if we want them, because there’s obviously people having it. And what would you say for someone? If they’re listening along? They’re like, yeah, I get that. I’m still new, though, it seems kind of scary. What would you recommend they do? Or even just a lens that they can see it through?

Liz Wolfe  

No, man, I don’t think I have a good answer for that. I would like to hear your answer, actually. Because that’s a really, that’s a really good question. I don’t know other than being who I am, and hopefully, as the as the person, that’s kind of the conduit for the information, feeling like a safe place to grow, you know, a little petri dish, you know, this is the right petri dish for me, I can be here and I can experience this. And I feel safe in that way. I feel safe, confronting different ideas and different ways of thinking.

Dr. Alex Golden  

Oh, that’s awesome. Do you mean like, your physical and like, having a community of people around you? Or? Or do you mean more in inside job? Like,

Liz Wolfe  

I mean, space for you know, for other Pete more for other people? So if somebody’s coming. And that was that what you were asking, like, if somebody comes in, and they’re brand new to any of these ideas of? I don’t know, holding that, like

Dr. Alex Golden  

all that. Yeah, like business owners who are like, Okay, I want to share but these things, I gotta love me. Like, I get that it’s entitlement. But it’s scary. Yeah.

Liz Wolfe  

Oh, man. What I would say is, frickin do it anyway, just don’t this is, this is the type of thing that I resisted for the longest time. But I’ve said this a couple of times, just don’t think about it. And sometimes, because you get so lost in it, you get so lost, and you get so stuck. And it’s like, yes, there is a process to navigating that into growing into being able to conceptualize it in a way where it hurts less and you don’t feel so sometimes you just sometimes for a little bit. You just have to not think about it and keep going. Like just eff it, go do what you were going to do anyway and see how it feels. And then you’ll have that exposure therapy, and you’ll have that opportunity to feel the feels and like you said, what, what did you say? What words did you use? It wasn’t like your backs against the wall? Was that you’re forced? I can’t remember. Yeah, maybe

Dr. Alex Golden  

the squeeze? That’s all kind of we say but the squeeze on something

Liz Wolfe  

like that. Yeah, where are you just kind of put yourself in it. Step into it, because because in the end, we are, we’re safe, the emotional. And this isn’t for everybody. Obviously, I don’t want to make a big blanket statement. But for the most part, we are all afraid of something that is not actually going to harm us. It’s not actually going to harm us physically, maybe emotionally, and we’ll have to work through some things. But there are so many big bad wolves out there, that we kind of hand over our power. And maybe sometimes you just have to act as if act as if it doesn’t matter to you. And you’re going to do it anyway.

Dr. Alex Golden  

I love that. Okay, good. Yeah, I mean, no wrong answers to me, but I am, I have often found that to be true. Now. We also talk about a lot of like, supporting yourself, right? If it’s the the feelings of the fear that are scary, and you’re like, I, I told myself just do it anyways, and then I still didn’t do it can sometimes happen? That’s where I’m, you know, sometimes maybe the support, and what do I need to get myself there? Kind of, because it’s, I think it’s true. It’s sometimes people are like, I could either work on this stuff that makes me like this. And that will take a while or I could just make myself do it. And then I’ll just reprogram that way. And like from a brain perspective, MD wise, I do think that they are both valid options. But I don’t think that we have to choose between them kind of quite as much as people think that they have to It’s no fun, either make yourself or go do this longer thing is that some days we can get ourselves there some days, it’s oh, let me go work on this. So that again, I’m feeling better and better about who I am. So I’m at least motivated to get to the place where now I can just do it. But I feel like when we keep missing the win, then we just feel worse and worse about ourselves. And so that’s where I think, not splitting it into two big categories they have to choose between helps people reconcile those differences for themselves. But it’s not I don’t believe there’s a mechanism that forces our hand to be one or the other. Yeah, I think if you’ve got if you feel brave enough to do it, I even as someone who are like love subconscious, reprogramming trans people on it certifies people on it, if you could do it, just go do it. Yeah.

Liz Wolfe  

Yeah. I think I was in process for like, 10 years, where I was contemplating, I will do that when or I can’t do that until, and for me, personally, just what you said, These things can coexist, I can do these things at the same time. But what has been, what has accelerated my processing? Is the doing, you know, has you you cut, and so much of that in my life lately is like, we’ll figure that out when we get there. And I used to hate that idea, because I wanted to know, all the contingencies all of but what about this, and I’m not there yet. And this and that the other, but now it’s like, when you get to the that place, you can see it more clearly, if you’re not even in that place, yet. You don’t know what the landscape actually looks like, you don’t know what options you have, because it’s a future thing. So sometimes for some people, I think, taking the step, flying blind a little bit and just going for it, you end up with more information than you had previously to operate with. So I like the idea that these things can happen at the same time.

Dr. Alex Golden  

Yeah, yeah, I do, too. I like that flat, getting getting to it. Because, yeah, it’s a How would you even know which decision you wanted to make? Right? And will, you got to experience it a little bit. And I used to not like it either. Because I felt like Leeson medicine, you’re supposed to have a differential and options. Like if your first one is actually wrong, well, then you have another diagnosis on the differential. And that backup plan has already activated in your mind so that you can act it out. Right, like and so in some scenarios in life, I think we are literally programmed with that thought. So sometimes I think we have to say, maybe it’s not like a personality deficiency that I keep thinking of all this stuff. Yeah, yeah. It’s just like a skill that I’ve developed a whole bunch. And that’s not bad. Is just and I think a lot of high achievers have have that kind of thing. Yeah. Like, I just gotta go full tilt, and I better have all the contingency backup plans, and like eight D, which, you know, I’m literally saying that from firsthand like, that’s me, you know, like, it’s not a n, d and c plans.

Liz Wolfe  

It’s a through Q. Yeah. Yeah. It’s all of them.

Dr. Alex Golden  

And it’s, it’s funny how it’s like I used to be able to sustain them. And I would go and make sure that they were available to me as like backup plans. And now it it almost seems like that burns me more. It’s like the the push is to get to the place. I don’t need those things. Like if I have plans as backup plans, can I just trust in them? Can I just set like, Does every single pose posting something have to also then be like, what if I don’t make it? What if I have to go back to my job? Well, if you have your job as a backup, then do you need to revisit that thought daily? Right? Or have you already teed it up like that? Is that good enough? That just leave it alone? Kind of thing. Right? Yeah. And they had me do all of 2024 has been like that where I’m like, Okay, what do I have but what am I messing around with? Still too much? What am I still getting in the weeds of that hasn’t even happened and I don’t have to activate right now. I’m just sort of like making myself feel reassured or something. It actually makes me feel worse. I think I just sort of was lying to myself that it was gonna make me feel reassured. But the the funny thing is, is that once I thought about it, I was like, I would still be kind of stressed if that happened. Yeah, so me pre considering it doesn’t get me out of that stress. I’m just experiencing it again.

Liz Wolfe  

Great, considering that’s such a good phrase, that it’s just being constantly in process. Yes, that that’s an that can be really, that can be heavy, but it can also just be a season where you know you’re in that go that struggle where the breakthrough is imminent. You know, and maybe that’s where you’re at.

Dr. Alex Golden  

I think it is because the you know, I’m going through this cyclic gliadins. When you do it for a living like that, that’s what it looks like. But I feel like that’s that it’s true, the tension gets greater. But what ends up happening is that that’s how I found more flexibility this year than I ever have. Right? It really came down to it was like, hmm, if I don’t have to go check out other options, it then also resolved the other problem I was having, which was a little bit of leftover insecurity about not doing something one day that is generally done, like I used to be like, I’ll do it, I’ll do the habit. And then if I get off of it, then I won’t do it for a while. So I’d get a little twitchy about missing a day, because I’m like, what if that puts me on the path to that period of not doing it, right. And it’s funny how working through my relationship with backup plans, needing backup plans, activating backup plans, checking them out, verifying them, all that stuff was so much in line in the programming and my brain along with that, like, I can just take a day off something and come right back to it. Yes. Or I can just like be doing what I’m doing. But then that afternoon can be something completely different. And I don’t have to be that identity. Yeah. Like I trusted myself to just sort of have what I have, and come back to what I need to come back to instead of the verification process. And so it’s, it has been really, really great in some ways. And I feel like that is something that a lot of people have been talking about really like when we coach, a lot of people are like, you know, I used to seek out stability security here, here. And here. It seems like those doors are kind of getting a little bit pared down. And I I haven’t you know, I’ve been wondering, is there anything so wrong with us receiving a collect the lesson and trusting the choices that we’ve made and the things that we have to support us at the end of the day,

Liz Wolfe  

I thought a little bit, this might be a little bit off from what you were saying. But when you mentioned habits, this is something that I’ve thought about where I will do something for a period of time and then let it go for a while. And to me, it always felt like I don’t do it consistently, I don’t do things consistently. But then I also realize that sometimes you get what you need out of a stint with something and then you can take that with you for a while, and then you can cycle back into it. And that, that I feel like gave me a lot of freedom. And even something as small as like, skincare or Yeah, perfect. You know, I was doing I was getting up really early and doing some really deep for me my work on money and abundance and receiving and all of that stuff. And I don’t do it every day anymore. And I feel like I’m taking some of that with me, I think it’s okay. And I will revisit it when that cycles back into my consciousness as the number one priority. But man, we have so many things that we’re having to layer on. We can’t do all all at the same time. And so it really is that continual process of prioritization, that and the hierarchy will always change from from day to day and week to week, at least for me, and so embracing that and not rather than labeling myself inconsistent, labeling, labeling myself as flexible

Dr. Alex Golden  

is true. And I mean, I guess I would argue that I would label you effective, because it’s just like working out, or it if you if you expanded your wealth consciousness and it worked, then you don’t have to keep doing it. Yes, does not expand it past that. But it’s like if it worked, and why do you have to is the same thing as like, we used to do this a lot and help with supplements because people are like, I need to be on supplements forever. I’m like, there is something that has occurred. If your protocol is exactly the same and healing as it is in maintenance. Do you know I’m saying like, if things don’t change if you don’t if there’s just a period of time, where as I love supplements, I love finding new things. I love experiment. So it’s just like, it’s fun for me to find things and try things and do that. But it’s like I need to give myself here times where I’m completely off stuff because it is important for me to know where my health stands alone is the optimization that I’ve done effective enough to stand on its own and not need continuous support. Now, some things in life do need continual supporting because it’s kind of like we talked about it skit, like skin fairness. Some people have fair skin so they’re always going to need to use sunscreen and consider shade and some people don’t as much so that is All right, but it is right. Like you worked on the money, the fact that it feels like things are good and you don’t. Sounds pretty dang good to me,

Liz Wolfe  

I gotta use that time for something else. Okay, somebody just said, something you just said about this is so perfect. So I have to do it. And we can navigate away from this if we need to. But this is, this is I have said this recently where I feel like there’s a difference between providing yourself with structural support, and providing yourself with like a nutrient or a supplement protocol that is meant to heal, or optimize or revise or whatever, which is this whole endeavor that I’ve embarked upon in creating a supplement line, I didn’t want to create. I, other people are doing it. Well, I wanted to provide structural support to people. So like, our muscles are always turning over, our cells are always turning over. And I wanted to create something that provided ongoing structural support, so that anything else you want to do supplementation, healing, nutrient protocols, all of that works better. Yes. So that was the whole point there. And you just mentioned something about about that. So I thought I had to throw it out there. Yeah,

Dr. Alex Golden  

absolutely. It’s a it’s a good distinction to make. Yeah, on the nuances. Because yeah, sometimes in the black and white thinking people are like, okay, so if I need any supplements, that’s bad. But I would argue that that line starts to get really blurred, because whether I intentionally choose to eat liver or at Oregon needs to my diet, or I want to buy a protein, blend and add it to my smoothie, or I want to buy an amino blend that I take in capsule form, vastly determines whether I feel like I’m taking a supplement to fix something or whether I’m just like, this was good food for me. And I mean, like I personally just like liver. Like I would eat, I just order it or eat it. Do you really? Because I Yes, I know. I grew up in Russia, though. So like, I grew up on it. So Okay, that’ll do I had help as a headstart. But yeah, so in that me and the old people really vibe down in the south, like, we’re always like, Oh, you’re gonna order to as an F guys are good. I have someone to share. But now that I live in Texas, I’m I’m doing better. But yeah, it’s it’s that it’s it, it stops being so clear, when you really live it. Right. And I think that’s a good thing. Because it, it almost forces our hand to decide, you know, how do we individually define what maintenance or you know, structural support look like for us? What feels good, what kind of seasonal life as there was, there was a point where I did so much cooking from scratch and the organic and the paleo and all of that, but like, I didn’t have time for most of the stuff I do now. Yeah. And then it flipped drastically. And so having gone through all of that, what I really like, desire for the world is more in options, can I do they have the flexibility of thought to just choose on any given day? And can they make that choice from place of free will not like conditioning or some reactionary response to that conditioning? Right? Neither those are free. But if we can get to a place where it’s like, what do you want, and now you feel licensed to decide and go do it. That’s the main win. And in my book for kind of how I see it. But again, this is just sharing thoughts, because in no way do I think this applies to everybody. It’s just, we all gotta figure out what our relationship is with it.

Liz Wolfe  

Well, I think you use the word agency a little bit ago. And I think that’s, that’s the word of if I love any word, it’s the word agency. Yes, I love that word that we have. A so many of us don’t even realize that we have agency and it’s not something that somebody else has to give us. It’s something that we have to give ourselves. We just have to recognize it, and utilize it and, and that’s, I think that is a huge thing that’s missing in the holistic world. And that goes back to what people are saying on the internet and how people interact with each other and feeling like they are. They are only in relation to other people. And we are community creatures. Obviously that’s so important. We want to know who we are in relationship to other people that also is primal. It’s an instinct. It’s a it’s that, but we also forget that we have agency that we have control. And it’s not a real surprise the way the world is structured right now that we feel like we don’t have control or we operate from a foundation of feeling of thinking we don’t have control it might not be a conscious thought. But it might just be our operating system. And it makes sense. I see how we get there, but to reclaim our agency is, is so huge on, on all levels, professional health wise, you know, all of it.

Dr. Alex Golden  

Yeah, I actually, you had asked earlier like, Oh, I just want to hear your thoughts on that, like the straightening out and what, when you were like, you just do it. One of the ways that I tiptoed on some, on some topics, it’s funny how some of us are built, like, on the topic of Ben, I’ll just like put whatever out there. But if I have, like, for me, in the past, if I had to share vulnerably was with like, a friend or a family member, that one, I couldn’t just do it, I just, I felt like I was gonna, like, literally expire off the planet if I if I shared and cried and things like that. And one of the things I did was just admit things to myself, in private. There were certain things I wouldn’t say out loud, or write in a journal or say, in front of a mirror, even if no one was around. And I was like, wow, I guess just giving agency to me, isolated first, may be a way to tiptoe. And I can I worked that part. Of course, I wasn’t the only stuff I did. But in some ways, I think we feel a lot of pressure to make an external right away. So maybe, you know, and I wasn’t planning on saying this or anything like that. But I feel like as I as we’ve had this conversation, it reminds me maybe if someone is feeling like, oh, that sounds great, but I really find myself I just can’t make myself do it without without getting into other other problematic things, then then maybe that’s a way to make it bite sized and say my agency is my own. Let me just start there. Let me not worry about all this stuff. How do we bring it down? We’ll get to it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, thank you. Thank you for moving through that with me. Alright, so we could talk forever, obviously. And this has already been pretty long. So let’s, let’s tear up to land the plane and then maybe we could just

Liz Wolfe  

have you back. Yeah. Anytime you seriously. Well, yeah. So

Dr. Alex Golden  

how do people find you how do they check out your new new line coming out and then I believe there was some waitlist, and go and things like that you have a bunch of amazing things in the work

Liz Wolfe  

so oh my gosh, this my next chapter next level, that’s my I need to trademark that. That’s my like, that’s my that’s my phrase right now, next chapter next level. And that has a lot to do with like 40 this transition into midlife, whatever you want to call it, you know. So you can find me I’m most active on Instagram at Real Food lists. That’s kind of the this spoke in the wheel is spoke or whatever. So from there, you can navigate to almost anywhere to my website, real food lists.com You can also find my ideal age line of supplements. So right now we we just it’s I call it a line of supplements. So right now we have our first supplement that just came out. The line is called ideal age because I believe that whatever age we are at can be our ideal age, there’s so much we can do to own and capture our agency and have an amazing experience even as things in life feel like they’re transitioning. So the line is ideal age. My mission is to create supplements and hopefully eventually skincare that is streamlined. I don’t want to say simple but elegant. And that supports you and your journey beyond 35 and on from there. And so the first, the first supplement that we’ve released is every little canister here it’s daily aminos plus, so this is an essential amino acid blend with taurine and electrolytes. One of the reasons I was so passionate about creating it is actually because I want folks like 60 Plus, I wanted my parents on these essential aminos because they’re very well studied to be extremely helpful for helping those with maybe compromised digestion because of the aging process, maintain their muscle mass maintain their structural health, really important, but also for anyone in my age bracket who exercises and just wants to maximize the systemic response from exercise your protein turnover or your muscle protein synthesis because we really do need to cherish and nurture our muscle mass as we age and this is a it’s a shortcut. It’s an easy button. It’s a wonderful way to do that. And also you know at any point that you feel like you need some amino acids support amino acids are the building blocks of proteins and these are really quickly digested and for me, it’s been an amazing tool. And I felt like I could do it maybe one step up for my people over the other products that were on the market. So this can be found at ideal age.com. And the code for we are in launch right now. So until May 13 2024, the code Liz 15 will be active so you can get 15% off. And if you have any questions about it, come to real food, Liz, on Instagram and just send me a DM I’m active in there, you can always reach me that way. And then I also have a metabolism program, we’re we’re in the live cohort right now. But if you go to own your metabolism.com, you’ll be redirected to the waitlist to get information on that. And thank you for letting me you know, make the pitch here.

Dr. Alex Golden  

Absolutely, no, it’s it’s important because it’s not as it’s not a topic that we will have like, programs around. And at the same time working with leaders, we see leaders also have all the same concerns and body image issues and weight loss, gold and all of that, that everybody else does. And so our, our goal is to pair leaders with the resources they need to get what they want. And that’s pretty much where it stops right each and that looks very different for each individual. So we can’t say a whole lie outside of that. But that’s what it sounds like to me, you know, for it to have to learn from someone who has a wide background. And a big toolkit to me is where I want. That’s my referral, cut off, right? The I never want to recommend a shoe box for someone to go find right route, I want to I want it to be a safe place for people to get what they need. And it’s such an important conversation for leaders that is relevant for especially to learn from someone who’s been in the, in the arena, so to speak, to borrow Rene Browns words, right in their arena, understand they understand the nuances and they there’s a lot of that feedback, the the path has been vetted. And that’s what that’s what you do. That’s what you have done. So thank you for making that. Thank you for sharing all of what you do and the programs and even just sharing what your internal experience is like it takes. It takes a lot of courage to be vulnerable, for sure. And so I really appreciate that you shared like that here and are willing to put it out there like that what you do so important. So thank you. Well,

Liz Wolfe  

you make it easy to share. And I think these are the conversations that that I want to listen to, ya know, this is just getting deep and the whole thought process around. It’s just just really fun to have this conversation. So thank you.

Dr. Alex Golden  

No, right. All right. Well, we’ll have you back then.

Liz Wolfe  

Yeah, sounds good. Sounds awesome. Thank you. Thank you, Dr. Alex. Oh, you gotta go. Yeah, Alex

Dr. Alex Golden  

is fine. But yeah, awesome. Well, thank you so much. For everybody. Check out the show notes, check out the program, check out the Amina. I’m gonna start mine here in a little bit. And I’m very excited. Thank you for sharing. And we will see you on the next podcast episode.