Transforming Health Through Emotional Healing with Sophie Shepard

Megan and Sophie discuss the intertwining of mental and physical health, highlighting the importance of addressing emotional factors for hormonal balance. They promote natural methods and NLP for emotional healing, as well as exploring alternative health approaches.


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Megan Blacksmith  

Hey everybody. Welcome back to the becoming zesty Podcast. I’m very, very excited sitting here with my lovely friend Sophie, welcome, Sophie to the podcast.

Sophie  

Thank you for having me. This is such an exciting day. Yes,

Megan Blacksmith  

this is exciting for, we decided to actually record this on eclipse day. So we are brave.

Sophie  

So brave. We were just both crying before this podcast recording. Record, we’ll see how this goes.

Megan Blacksmith  

We both cried this morning. And we’re like, we have to do a podcast together. And here we are. And that leads in nicely to the conversation we’re gonna have today. Because emotions and beliefs and all the things that get tied into a health journey or being a practitioner that many people don’t talk about. We’re going to share, Sophie is going to share her amazing stories of how she’s helping people. integrate all of this not just functional medicine, but also like what’s going on in the emotional body and their beliefs. And so I cannot wait to get into this. Sophie, for people who don’t yet know who you are. Just give us a little backstory. Who is Sophie? And how did you get into the field of functional medicine and health? Yeah,

Sophie  

so I actually was a theater nerd. I wanted to work on Broadway, I went to a conservatory for theater, I was at the stage managers, if the woman behind the scenes you were all black, and you you make like the the theatrical production happen. And I got that dream. And my help along the way just completely kind of collapsed in on itself. I had early diagnosis of IBS or irritable bowel syndrome. So I was like, also the girl that was running to the bathroom all the time. I mean, it would eat something and it was like, I don’t know what’s gonna happen, let’s roll the dice. And I had a lot of anxiety from high school, maybe even earlier, I don’t remember. And then, when I was in, I was actually in a relationship with a abusive narcissist. And that just kind of tipped everything over. I was like doing the theater thing and wasn’t sleeping and wasn’t eating right. I didn’t even know how to eat right, to be honest with you. And I had absolutely no tools to for stress management, or all the anxiety that I was feeling or even being able now I think about it, after all the trainings I’ve done with you like I don’t even think I could have labeled the emotions that I was experiencing back then. And so I started to experience like hair loss, rapid weight gain really, really crippling fatigue, like just not being able to really function, brain fog. And I went to the doctor and the doctor told me that I was probably just depressed. Typical medical gas lighting situation. And yeah, and then from there, I decided to investigate a little further. And I found a functional medicine doctor. And this was 12 years ago. So functional medicine was not what it is today. Like no one knew what I was talking about. My mom thought I was crazy. But this doctor actually sat down with me and explained that I had Hashimotos, just an autoimmune disease of the thyroid. And then I had to support my gut to support my thyroid and all these things in my body were connected, that there were diet and lifestyle and supplement things that I could do to make major shifts and I was feeling physically. So I signed up. I like put it on my credit card. I had no real income. I was just like, let’s do this. I can’t feel like this anymore. I feel like I’m at and it just like really rapidly changed my life I got out of that toxic A F or relationship as soon as I felt physically stronger. And and then yeah, a few years later, I yeah, I got into it and realize that there were a lot of women like me that needed my help. And that were also dealing with so many health issues. And so it was a natural step into like the functional world and running labs and helping people in that way

Megan Blacksmith  

that helped me so much. And so you became an FDN like me? Yes.

Sophie  

So I became Yeah, I was health coach. And then I was following all these amazing app DMS on Instagram. And then I was like, oh, I want to I want to be able to help them with the labs. So I became an FDN and launched detox health and it’s been like a nonstop influx of women that we’ve been supporting with their thyroid health and their gut health and their period Hoth and really, really focusing on that thyroid as well. And then of course, they met you and then things changed, changed and now we work even deeper than just the the labs and the supplements and the lifestyle changes.

Megan Blacksmith  

Yes, okay. Thank you for sharing that. So it’s like you personally have experienced it, what’s hot, what’s helps you then really understand who you’re working with. And then I think same for me once we go through it. It’s so much easier to really be able to hear people And we’re like, okay, everyone may be telling you this is in your head, or there’s nothing you can do. And we know that’s different. So when let’s just go through what was happening for you. So we’ve talked on the phone about, you know, the idea. So everyone here already knows that we trained coaches and practitioners in NLP neuro linguistic programming. And so you were in the very, very first group of brave souls who came and joined us, for our first actual seven day practitioner training. And backstory to that, Sophie, you’ll find this amusing. I started to panic, partway through that training, because I originally was like, Okay, I have all these amazing people, a lot of people I knew from before, like, felt really comfortable doing this training for the first time. And then we get into the training and the training is intense. And everything was bubbling up for everyone. And all I could think was, I really hope this whole week works out works itself out the way I was taught and the way it did for me, because I’m either about to have, like, people who love me for life or no more friends. Luckily, the container did does what the container does, and that’s just part of it. There’s, there’s a part where, you know, all of our stuff comes to the surface. So you

Sophie  

were I had a full blown temper tantrum at you and Dr. Alex, and you were like, Yeah, tell me more about that. What does that make it mean? And I was like, oh, like, I was so upset, like infant in front of like other functional medicine practitioners and all these people. And I was like, I don’t even know Alex and Megan, and I’m crying on their couch. So yeah, that part. Yeah, yes,

Megan Blacksmith  

tantrums are all accepted. And you know, now we’re just like, this is a part of the process. And the first time we’re like, I really hope this is a part of the process, right?

Sophie  

Well, I’m grateful for that part of the process, it actually helps in so many ways, including a knowing what’s actually bothering you and be that you don’t actually have to be afraid of your emotions.

Megan Blacksmith  

Hmm, yeah. So the emotion piece was huge for you. I know. So, okay, so let’s just walk people through, like, what was going on? What gave you even an inkling of an idea of like, oh, I want to add this other thing to my practice? Was it for your business? Was it for you personally, just kind of give some backstory of why you would have even been interested in coming to the certification?

Sophie  

Yeah, I had no idea what it would do. To me personally. I was like, kind of laughing at that now, because my life is so different because of this train. I mean, it’s so different. I’m like a fundamentally, I different, but I would say the more of more expressed or more layers person because of this training. And but I but my, my reason was because of my business. So I had been doing, the FDA can work and the investigative work and helping people with their diet and their lifestyle, and most of my clients would get almost all the way better, or have significant changes in their, their symptoms, their their fatigue would go away, their voting would go away, their periods of regulate, their digestion would get better. And there were still at least a population of people who weren’t getting better than I was, well, what what was happening here, because this is unacceptable for me, because all women, all people need to feel better, right? We need to be feeling our best and that I think that that is really important to me, and my like my ethos and my mission. And so I’m the type person where I’m like, I’m gonna go in, and I’m gonna learn what I can learn to help people. And I was following you guys. And I saw that there was another kind of solution. And when I really thought about the people that weren’t succeeding, it really always boil down to some level of emotional or mental stress that they had some level of, I’m not worth worthwhile. I’m not enough I something, some AI story that they had in their head, that was creating a lot of emotional turbulence that would stop them from actually doing what they said they wanted to do in their health. And so you’d have the people pay money to you, then you’d give them all the tools and then they wouldn’t follow through. And it would be or they would try to follow through, but they’re, they were so dysregulated in their emotional experience that they couldn’t succeed. And so that’s why I signed up. I got a lot more than I expected.

Megan Blacksmith  

Okay, so you Well, I know you’d sign up and I know you use the tools directly for clients all the time. So tell us a little more about what was the more than expected?

Sophie  

Well, yeah, when you’re you’re sitting in a room of people having a temper tantrum and realizing that you have to learn your own emotional compass and your own experience of the world through the lens of NLP. Things start to shift because I think the biggest thing, the biggest way I could describe it is that for me personally only, I think I saw the world in a certain way where things happened to me. And I maybe didn’t have any kind of control over that narrative or situation. And then after the trainings, I felt like oh, well, I don’t have control over, over what happens, right, like an event happens. But I do actually can look at how I’m responding to it and what my role in it is, and how I want to move forward. And that just fundamentally changed my life. Because then of course, that impacts how you are with your I’m married with my husband, and with my parents, or in relationship with, with people in in work and clients. And so then it started to, I started to realize, oh, well, I can change my experience and do things differently, then my clients also have a lot more control or a better word is they get to feel more empowered to MIT to create, like the way they want it. So those were some of like, the bigger shifts that I started to see. But I just wasn’t expecting so much personal growth from this, I thought it would just be Oh, another tool that I can learn for my business, I didn’t realize I personally was going to have to look at all of my emotions, and all my beliefs and all my habits and decide if I wanted to keep them or shut them. Hmm,

Megan Blacksmith  

that’s a great way of putting it, keep them or shift them, right. It’s like now that we have the awareness. It’s like now or we know are deciding on each individual thing. And you know, you make the decision. So it’s way more ownership of the experience experience of life, right? You’re like I have a choice.

Sophie  

Yeah, you have a choice. Or you have a choice. This was actually the hardest thing for me, though. I was I didn’t want to realize that I had a choice.

Megan Blacksmith  

The choice point is what is the hardest for most and me included? Because that’s when if we have a choice, then the stuff that’s not quite going the way we want, we know there’s a choice about it, right? It’s just, and sometimes sometimes those are hard choices, like hard boundary conversations or so that it’s definitely hard. So let’s talk about this. What I get really, really excited about Sophie is practitioners and leaders and people who have these amazing skills like you had already, right, you’re already helping tons of people. And then we like kind of sprinkle in the tools from NLP where we now have a way to rewire the subconscious mind, or we now have a way to anchor in powerful emotions or a way to just get people into a different state when we add that on top of it. To me, it’s just like this explosion, right? So tell us a little bit about, I know that you’ve shared some stories about some people who are completely changing their health, and maybe not even necessarily having to use the whole protocol or do all the testing. So how has this shifted just in how you practice

Sophie  

it? I mean, it’s been totally a totally different practice, like what I offer now is just fundamentally different in that, I think that what we would call like the mental body and the emotional body inform a lot of how we experience things in our physical body. So just from like, because my brain wants to make sense out of it and science out of it, I’ll just share how I see things now, which is that if we have a thought that’s troublesome, or creates a difficult emotion for us say anger, sadness, fear, guilt, shame, things like that, or a story that puts us into maybe a state of being like anxiety, that can show up in the physical experience. So before I would have a client say, message me and say, Oh, I’m not sleeping well, for example, and I would be like, Okay, well, we can take magnesium, we can take melatonin, we can, like, here’s all the supplements you can take to like help you get better sleep, or maybe I’d say blue blocker, black glasses or whatever. And all those things are true. And all those things are still recommendations that I may or may not suggest, and what else is going on at night? Are you like, are you ruminating? What are you thinking about what’s going on in your, in your mind? So it’s like, it’s a deepening that actually I think is more of the root cause than what I was doing before. And yeah, and then I have a I have two examples like top of mind, where we didn’t even do a lot of the labs or you know, we did do it, but it was like secondary or after, and the results of the people had were just absolutely phenomenal. So I’m happy to share those two. Yeah,

Megan Blacksmith  

please share. I think specifics really help the brain for other people. My goal is that people will see there’s a lot of different ways to get to an outcome, especially if you want your health better if you want your business better, that it’s not always like there’s not always one plan. There’s never one plan.

Sophie  

Actually, that’s a great point and you’re definitely the person I think about it The comment this thing that you share that your, your coach made you like lay on a target or something, or right to see how uncomfortable like how could you move through the uncomfortability of that. And I always reminds me of like, we can do difficult things. And we can also there’s always like multiple options and multiple ways to see things. So yeah, so I’ll give two examples. The first is of a woman she lived, she lived in a more rural area of the country, she had multiple children. And she was dealing with massive grief from the loss of her mother. But are and when she came to me, she rattled off all the ways in which her hormones were dysregulated. And she had to do hormone testing. And she wanted to do this test and not testing that she knew it was like that her hormones are messed up. And I don’t even know what came over me. It was after the training, I was just like, you know, because she’s telling me about her anxieties and stuff. And I said, I think there’s more than just your hormones, because experience has taught me that our hormones just don’t go out of balance for no reason. So she was dealing with a little extra weight, some a lot of a lot of anxiety, like panic attack type level, and a lot of gut issues and just like insomnia, just a lot of different things. And I just kind of put my foot down and I said, Look, there’s a new way, we’re going to try this. And I want to work on your mental well being and support your thoughts and your emotions and how you’re seeing things. And let’s just, like let’s just see if this will work out and she trusted me, you know, it was really cool to see she just she bought into this option. And I did sweeten the deal with the neurotransmitter test. I was like, we’re gonna look at your brain. And oh, panic is like a big thing. So we’re gonna look at your serotonin, your, you know, all these brain chemicals, and we’ll support those two. So she agreed, and it was a beautiful experience. And it was honestly really validating for me, because I just learned all these tools from you guys. And then I was like, does this work? I don’t know. I think it works. It worked on me, is it gonna work on this person. And it totally worked with this person. And I have a testimonial on my website, she talks health.com You go to the testimonials site, like three quarters of the way down. It’s just like this whole thing from her of like, I don’t have panic attacks anymore. I feel great. I’m excited about life again, I’m so grateful. I feel happy. I lost the extra weight. My gut issues went away like everything. And she even said like, I wanted to, like go in from like a physical perspective or from like, the hormonal perspective. But Sophie stopped me and I’m so glad that she did. Because this was really informing, like everything else in the physical. And it was like we barely I mean, we ran the neurotransmitter test. So yeah, like I think I gave she had I suggested GABA and magnesium, you know, like a couple of things for her brain. But really, the deep work was like, working on being okay with the loss of her mom. And a lot of the emotions even related to things that had happened when she was younger, that were creating this feeling of like not being enough and not doing enough. And so she was kind of running herself ragged if she wasn’t productive enough during the day, and that was causing so much dysregulation. cortisol response, I’m sure that was then cascading down into everything else in her physical experience. So that was just Yeah, that wasn’t my favorite, favorite awesome ones, like help someone go from the panic attacks to actual joy and excitement in their life again,

Megan Blacksmith  

that’s super powerful.

Sophie  

Wow, that’s a good one.

Megan Blacksmith  

Yeah, that’s so cool. So we, I, I wonder how often when someone comes in, I wonder how often it’s like, we really do know that or something else. And that’s often like, we don’t want to, we don’t really want to look at it. You know, I’m like, Well, do I want to do a hormone test and take a protocol? Or do I really want to face the grief of losing a parent?

Sophie  

Right. I mean, and that’s the thing that I think it’s been most challenging for me to be on the other side of this, to be completely honest, is like, how do I bridge that gap? And how do we have those conversations? And I think so much of it comes down to like rapport with a person and like having them feel safe enough to trust that you can help them in that way. And a lot of times people don’t realize, I think that that’s what’s happening because they maybe they learned in their model of the world to suppress their emotions or something like that when they were very young, so that they’re like, Oh, well, that happened three or five years ago, and that’s not affecting me now. Right. And that’s been some of the biggest awakenings for me is just like how much the body really does, as I say, keep the score.

Megan Blacksmith  

Hmm, yes. So what do you think has shifted in how you decide? Are you when you’re working with somebody new? Do you feel like you immediately are just getting a sense now for like, okay, there’s there’s more to this. There’s a relationship part of this and there’s a an emotional part of this is it much more OBS to you now just based on people’s language, that the presenting problem is not usually the problem.

Sophie  

Yeah, it’s interesting because I have everyone fill out a pretty extensive client intake. It’s really like a it’s like a history, you know what’s happened. And one of the questions I asked him, like, when’s the last time that you felt well, and did the onset of your symptoms correlate with some big event in your life? And it’s really that questions really interesting, because almost always, it’s like, they haven’t felt well, for a long time. And there was an event, there was a divorce, there was a loss of a parent, there was a job change, there was a medical diagnosis, there was something that happened around that, around that time. I’m even thinking of a new client who, who shared that her stuff started right around a big growth in her business. And so she we haven’t got even gotten into any of the subconscious rewiring yet, but we talked about it. And I think that’s the biggest thing, too, is before I might have had that question. And I would have been like, oh, well, yeah, stress, it’s a, it’s a killer, you know, and I would have just like, been like, go meditate and like, move on. Versus now we have so many more tools to offer. And I can say to that person, hey, there’s no coincidence that this stuff started right around x event. And if you really want to get into how to support this in the long term, I think, figuring out and addressing and supporting whatever happened that there is going to inform that now. And it’s really interesting, because some people most people are like, Oh my gosh, yeah, like that’s so true. And some people are still in fear about that. Right? So it’s just an interesting, people are either ready, or they’re not ready.

Megan Blacksmith  

Yes. Is there a pattern Sophie’s you see, like, top reasons that people aren’t getting results when when it comes down to like pulling out some beliefs or some patterns or some strategies?

Sophie  

I would, you know, I was just on Dr. Kiersten another one of our first first cohorts of yours, just on her podcast, and she was asking me a lot about like, Hashimotos, and the emotional patterns I see. So from a patterns perspective, I see a lot of like, people pleasing and putting other people first. So then I think, like, the habit that comes from that is that I’ll get to me later, which usually means I get to me Never. And so then of course, that’s gonna play out right. Like, even if we just use a kind of a basic example of you or your mom, and you have like a bunch of kids, and you make them food, but you don’t make food for yourself. And you’re eating their scraps, right? That’s like you’re not nourished. So then I see a lot of physical impairments, because if we don’t have food for not, nothing’s gonna work, right. And so it’s like, oh, yeah, my hormones are messed up. Well, no, actually, we’re not taking care of ourselves. Because let’s put everyone else first or the train to the other one I see a lot is like perfectionism, or just trying to get it. All right, which is a big one for me that I still am working through to be honest with you. It’s definitely one that is like, if I’m gonna have something come up, it’s the one that comes up. So I’m like, oh, yeah, Hello, old friend. And so I see that a lot in my clients too. And that also kind of leads to the same burnout cycle and the same, just not doing enough for, like, not taking care. And so then that just plays out in whatever way it’s gonna play out in the physical experience. So it’s like, Yeah, can we take some magnesium? Absolutely. And let’s get you to a place where you believe you’re either worthy, or it’s important for you to take care of yourself. That’s, that’s probably one of the biggest hurdles for people to to get through, because it shows up in so many ways of, well, I have to take care of the kids. Well, yeah, you do. But you also have to take care of you, right. So there’s a lot of that happening. I work mostly with women in their 30s and 40s. I would say it’s the majority, although it goes younger and older, but that’s usually who I work with. So they’re working full time. They’ve got kids, so a lot on their plate. And somewhere along the line, they thought like, they weren’t very important to take care of.

Megan Blacksmith  

Hmm. And with the gut symptoms, tell us a little bit about that, because I know you’ve had some people’s gut symptoms are shifting, like without a protocol there. So what have you discovered? What have you discovered, like if someone is out there, and they’re like, I’m having symptoms that I think our thyroid or I think our gut, and potentially there’s, if they’re willing to look at it, there may be some things in their life or some beliefs. Anything you’ve seen around that. Yeah,

Sophie  

I have a really specific example of this. So last year, I had an incredible client, and she had the symptom of constipation, so she was only going to the bathroom maybe two or three times a week. Really, really bad. Not going to the bathroom. And she honestly didn’t even realize it was a problem until they said, hey, you know, we, we humans, we should have pooping every day, you know. And so, yeah, we started to work on the physical antonym and the emotional and what came through, was actually, I don’t want to share too much about like what happened for her, but she had a lot of childhood trauma actually, like big T trauma. And there was a lot of lack of control in her life, and a lot of being put into positions she would not have wanted to be put in by her parents, and not being supported. And in that, and so how we realized it was kept manifesting was whenever there was a stressor in her life, she would kind of clench or hold as a way of being safe, because it was safer to just not say anything, and just be quiet, then to express herself. And it was profound that we started to work on this, and she started going to bathroom really regularly. And then whenever there was a work, a new trigger, or new work stress that would come up. That was this, that was right work, she would go back. And she’s like, Oh, I’m holding again, you know. So that was really interesting for me, because like, you know, I run the GI maps, and we talk about food sensitivities, and different stuff like that. And all of that does help, and are what’s happening up here. And our brain is informing our gut. And we know that now we know that in the science. It was really interesting. I was at a microbiome conference, this is a supplement company. And they kept talking about like the gut, brain axis, the gut brain axis, but they were only talking one direction, because of course, that’s their perspective. They’re a supplement company for the microbiome. So they’re going to talk about the gut, but I just kept thinking like, Yeah, but if you’re we’re not doing it from the brain down, we’re missing half of the conversation. And that’s been my experience with it, too. I have the other issue. Like if I have anxiety, it’s like, I would go to the bathroom, which is really shifted for me since I’ve done the training. But that was my life. It was like, Oh, I have anxiety. I’m gonna go to bathroom. I think xiety goes bathroom. And it was like, That’s how my life was. That’s just like, I just before the training was like, Oh, this is just the way it is now. No, no, you know. So it’s yeah, the gut stuff is really profound.

Megan Blacksmith  

That you are even just thinking, even knowing all the information about health, you were just kind of like, yeah, I have stress, and it’s causing that. Like, we know that that happens. So you were thinking that wouldn’t shift. Yeah, I was thinking okay, well, like Yeah, that’s just the way like, manage the stress. And yeah, yeah,

Sophie  

cool. Like these air quotes of like, this, like thing of managing stress, like out here in the world that people apparently do was my perspective before. And now I really can’t tell you, the last time I experienced the that level, that kind of connection in my, in my body, we’re allowed, immediately. Yeah, got reaction like that. It

Megan Blacksmith  

is cool, how much physical stuff shifted. And so like Sophie came and hung out with us for, you know, the for a week, right that the first trainings a week, and I’m still I’m just always still amazed, like your first cohort. And it’s like, there was so much like, physical body stuff shifted in one week, and it keeps happening. And each time I’m like, Oh, my gosh, it gets better and better. It’s just like this container, where it’s super safe. You know, like, the container is set should do the process. Like, you know, you’re gonna go through ups and downs, but you’re in it. And it’s one process after another where you’re learning so you’re receiving it where someone else is practicing at the practitioner, and then you’re also doing it with someone. And I think that back and forth of like seeing somebody else like oh my gosh, they just cleared their OCD and then your brains like well, they could do that. I remember thinking at a Dr. Joe event that you know, someone had just like spontaneously healed from from some crazy disease, right? And I’m like, Well, if they do that with their meditation, I can clearly take care of a hormone headache, right?

Sophie  

I love it. Yeah, I mean, right after your, your the first the first week as I got off my antidepressant that I’d been on for a decade. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, there was definitely I will say I just to preface that because I don’t want everyone just like rushing to get out of their, their SSRI. I had done other work. You know, I’d worked on my gut. I actually had been retreating in Colombia a few weeks before the first our first week one and I I had forgotten to take it which normally would have made me really sick but I was having such a good time that I didn’t feel it, which is another interesting thing that I like, if I had been at home and I remembered I forgot it. I’d be like, Oh, I feel sick. I have to say Get like take my SSRI right now. So I already kind of calmed down a little bit accidentally. And then we were just working on this stuff. And I realized all of a sudden I had all these tools for my mental health and my mental and like my mental space, whereas before I only had the tool of the antidepressant. And so I was like, Okay, well, let me see what it would be like to come off of this and use the tools. And if I need to go back on it, I know where I can get a prescription, you know, and it was just kind of, but versus it being like, well, I have to be on this because this is the only way and like, I definitely I’m so afraid of my emotions that I can’t handle them. Or anything like that. I was a very, very big shift for me. Very grateful.

Megan Blacksmith  

I have forgotten about that. Wow. Yeah. Huge.

Sophie  

I mean, a decade. Right, what most people would tell you can’t come off. Right.

Megan Blacksmith  

And we’re definitely thank you for the caveat. I mean, everyone, you worked with a practice physician and write the whole caveat of like, it’s both it’s most most exciting, though, Sophie. So same thing happened with me with like, my mold detox, I had done the physical body stuff, right? It’s not like I didn’t do that I had been in my sauna, I had done all this stuff. It was just that last, like 20% is what finally went away with the work in NLP and hypnosis and rewiring the brain. So that’s what gets me excited. It’s like when you layer that on top of these amazing tools for the physical body. It just accelerates accelerates it. Yeah,

Sophie  

I mean, we use the example of mental health. It’s like, I was taking five HTP, which is a precursor to serotonin and my serotonin was low. I did measure that in my urine in the test from m to m squared. So I didn’t know that right? We’d know that this plus this equals that. And why other than a biochemical reaction? Might I be feeling depressed or feeling anxiety or feeling whatever I’m feeling and what I one of the biggest things I learned from you guys that week was that I was very profoundly scared actually, Alex’s, like, I’ll never forget her saying, like, you know, if you can’t handle your own emotions, and you can’t handle other people’s emotions, and it might have been that week, or might have been the mentorship after, but that profoundly shifted for me because I realized, as emotional as I was, or as sensitive and empathetic as I would always say that I was, I was terrified of my emotions. And I was terrified when other people would have big emotional experiences. Now, if something happens, you best believe I am crying, screaming, punching the pillow going for a hike, whatever I’m doing something to like get it up and out. Without gaslighting the experience that I’m having. And that having that tool there is like part of you know, I think the mental health conversation because it’s like, yeah, like I’m taking the serotonin but like, why am I have what’s happening in my brain that’s causing this emotional experience? And can I can I support it from both ways to really have a good outcome?

Megan Blacksmith  

Did you feel a shift sitting in front of a client when they would go into their emotions? Yeah, it’s

Sophie  

been absolutely the best. That’s been, that’s been the best part. One of the one of the best parts of this training has been feeling, feeling safe in my own system. When someone is in their stuff, when they’re stressed, when they’re anxious when they’re, you know, guilt or shame. And even just feeling confident of like, they might be like, Oh, I’m so sorry, I feel this like apologizing for their emotions. And for me to say, you don’t ever have to apologize for feeling what you’re feeling. And I’ve seen it all. And I felt it all and I’m right here with you. And it’s totally okay, and acceptable.

Megan Blacksmith  

And they feel that,

Sophie  

yeah, it’s a permission slip. It’s a huge permission slip to actually just be where you’re at.

Megan Blacksmith  

It’s so exciting to me, the more people who go through this kind of process and are willing to implement it. So you’re you’re you’re impacting you and your your family, and then you’re impacting all these clients, and then their family, my hope. And Dr. Alex, it’s like that these tools will get to all the kids, right? And that the parents are going to be like, I can handle my emotions so you can have your children and will actually learn that. It’s just an okay thing. And hopefully, we won’t be all storing all the stuff in our body forever. And I’ve seen that.

Sophie  

Yeah, the kids. I’ve seen that too. It’s amazing. And most of my clients have kids, so it’s been really cool to see it play out for them too. That’s yeah, that’s happening. Your dream is happening.

Megan Blacksmith  

I love it. Okay, so tell everyone where they can find you. So as most people know, we don’t work directly with people on hormone and thyroid and cut health anymore. So I love having resources for people who want to do the functional medicine Alongside this, and I only refer to people who are doing both now, I know a lot, a lot of amazing like practitioners, naturopathic doctors, and if they aren’t also, or, or at least partnered with someone, I’m like, that’s just half. I want them to have all of it. So tell people where to find you and what you have going on right now.

Sophie  

Yeah, so everything in terms of finding me is she talks health. So the the website is she talks health, the podcast, I think it’s about to be on if she talks health, my Instagram as she talks health. And yeah, you can DM me and start a conversation if you’re curious. And on the website, there is a work with us page. So we have so many exciting things happening. So we have xi Academy, which is a course so if you’re more of I want to learn it myself, the course does support any really women with dealing with kind of any symptom, but I would say it’s marketed towards thyroid health. So if you have thyroid health or fatigue, exhaustion, you know, brain fog, all that stuff, weight gain, this is a really good course for you. And we include the mindset and emotional processing inside of this course. So it’s a really great way to drop in if you’re looking for a DIY experience, and that she Academy on the website on she talks health.com. And if you’re looking for more of that deeper support that one to one access, and the labs plus what we everything we just talked about, you can apply to work with us through she thrives, which is a six month container with me and another one of our amazing NLP and FDN coaches, where we guide you through really transforming not only your health, but your whole life and your mental and emotional and physical bodies, through all these tools that we just talked about. And so those are two really great ways to plug in.

Megan Blacksmith  

Beautiful and we’ll put her your Instagram and stuff on the show notes below. So for anyone listening, if you are a coach, practitioner, entrepreneur, leader, if you have some kind of business, or if you lead people in some way, including your family, we offer our seven day level one training twice a year. So it’s always going to be end of April and October. And then we have a two day intro if you want to come learn about habits and NLP. So those are also twice a year, January and August lots of opportunities to come see us and to add these tools like Sophie has. But thank you so much, Sophie. Yeah, thank

Sophie  

you so much. And yes, guy is really I highly recommend this, this program, please, please check it out. It’s life changing.

Megan Blacksmith  

Okay, so tell us about this amazing client result you just had recently with weight loss.

Sophie  

Yeah, so I just give you a little bit of the backstory, because I think it’s really relevant here is this person worked with Kylene and I who Carlene was another person in our first cohort. And she had done the physical body stuff with us in a group when we had a business together. So she had already done like the FDN world right with us. And then here she is, back in my DMs, hey, I’m having problems with weight loss, I’m having all these symptoms from being overweight, and like it’s really affecting my health, and I really need to get it together. And I of course thought of you can you help me like what do you have? What do you have available? And so I tried in the messages to kind of convey this new level in the NLP world and she just kind of cuz I think she had me in a box. Like, she’s like, No, we do the labs, and we do the lifestyle and I just need you to tell me what to eat. So it’s like, okay, well, I guess we could start with that, you know, we’ve done it before, whatever and so I get her enrolled. And we’re maybe like, two or three sessions and like kind of halfway through because it was a little mini program I made for her and she wasn’t progressing. She’s like I don’t know what’s wrong with me. I just like I can’t make the changes. And so um, yeah, so I’ll pause there so prior to this moment, I think it was at the training I don’t remember but somehow Megan had shared that like you could lose weight through this through NLP and that like you can basically you can do anything through it right like if you can train your mind you can you can do anything kind of is like the the thought that I was having but I still had the limit and I was like that’s ridiculous. You cannot lose weight through your mind. I was like that’s the only thing that this doesn’t apply to everything else then go home and get off my SSRI all the things I’ve shared like totally you can do that. But this new weight loss Absolutely not.

Megan Blacksmith  

I love that that’s the box your mind put right around this one thing that’s so interesting, right? Yeah,

Sophie  

I mean, yeah, I think we could talk about why but there was a box there just because it had always it was just because it had always been hard for me for other clients to guarantee like a weight loss result like we never make guarantees, because yeah, I think it’s yeah, so that’s ridiculous was in my head. But at this point, this was last summer. So it was probably the fall when when things weren’t when things weren’t working out, and I was just like, we’re not going to do this. And I got her and her husband on the phone and I said, Look, we’re trying it this way. And it’s not working because your mind is telling you all the reasons why you’re not worthy and all the things that are going on in there that I don’t even know yet that are sabotaging you. And so if we want you to actually see change, we have to work on your mental and emotional health. Period, like there’s just no way around it. And I just kind of went in, I was like, This is what we’re doing. We’re gonna use the rest of our sessions, I need you to buy this many x more sessions, because this is how long it’s going to take. And this is what we’re doing. And they both were like, okay, like, let’s let’s do it. We trust you. This isn’t working. You have another solution. Let’s try it. Well, let me tell you, this woman has lost 63 pounds, rebound, rebound, 63 pounds. And people are like, What are you doing? What’s happening? What How did this happen? You know, like, what’s, what is your life and she is a different human. And what it was when we got into the NLP world was so many stories from when she was a kid of being a bit in a bigger spa sized body, not having worthiness. She had a whole bunch of stuff with her parents and their fractured relationship and always trying to be the one to fix everything for everybody else. It just so many things that were like creating. Yeah, just just so much unease in her body around her physical health. So she, she once we shifted, and we were able to help her process that and experience that and move through it. She just started making different choices. She was like, oh, yeah, I went to hot yoga three times this week. Oh, yeah, I just, I chose the piece of chocolate instead of the four chocolate muffins or I mean, I’m kind of making this up. But it was like, it was like, stuff like that, where she just started to spontaneously just make these different choices where a month prior she was like, I can’t make that choice. I have too many food cravings. You know, I can’t drink the water. I can’t go work out there was just all these I can’t to I can I can just do something else. And that’s fine. And this feels great. And then she just kind of shifted who she was around her health.

Megan Blacksmith  

Wow. And she shifted your belief to and so you said

Sophie  

Yeah, big time, you know, and it’s it’s yeah, it’s cool the way it happened to for my mind because she still made changes in her physical right like what she was putting in her mouth and all of that, but she did it from the lens of loving herself versus hating herself and that was the biggest difference for her.

Megan Blacksmith  

That is so good. Thank you for sharing that one. That’s so good.